even when they've gone conservative, when they went to ronald reagan after ford lost, he was not a libertarian. he was sort of a movement, traditional movement conservative who had been less conservative as a governor no california. >> that's true. >> and had a lot of crossover appeal just in terms of his nature. so going to the straight tea party libertarian and risking this tremendous work, we haven't seen the neoconservative, the revenge of the neoconservative empire yet. >> i think they're going to come back and reclaim the party as the hawk party. let me ask you about this choice now. do they say more romney with a different face, rubio, or say, wait a minute, that me, too, thing isn't working? >> i'm a believer in inertia. i think they believe in the same basic ideas. >> pretending to be right wingers but not willing to believe it themselves. >> not willing to go all the way. >> let's talk about something you've written about, we had the great thing we taped last night about the iraq war and in your book, "hubris." look at this clip. show them how things have changed. look at this clip f